Originally posted in Rabyd Theologian 2.0 on November 5th, 2009
I suppose that one might argue that I seem to have a fascination with this topic and maybe an obsession. I could argue — “Yeah, I am a guy. Get over it, guys are fascinated with the subject. Addicted really” What I don’t think most Christian men and women understand about this issue is that it is a current issue. One State of the United States, New York already has a law about this subject — anywhere a man can appear without a top so can a woman. Similar laws exist in about 7 other states in certain situations (beaches and other areas). In Europe, there are many places where a woman can appear topless — the fact is Europeans don’t have as many hang ups about nudity in general as we do in the US. Many local cities, towns, etc. have their own laws because most states leave the issue to local government to deal with on their own. For instance Columbus, OH has a very similar law to the one in New York state. The point is in certain places a Christian can be walking down the street and see a woman topless (or topfree if you prefer) and they really can’t call the cops — in fact calling the cops in New York can get you and the cops sued. So what do you do? You can’t avoid everything.
In all other states and places though the problem is that a woman is only considered indecent if she shows her nipples. That still leaves a lot of room on a woman’s breast. (See picture above for instance). It should be noted also the free speech laws may allow a woman to expose her breasts as part of making a political point or as part of a protest.
At this point in going through Bible I am looking for how the Bible refers to nakedness. In the issue of women’s breasts at this point I would have to say the Bible is silent other than a few references to nursing. Now as we get past David and begin to look at the rest of the Bible — nothing till the book of Job. The fact is the poetic literature of the Bible has a lot to say about the subject of women’s breasts. Job makes mention of them, Song of Solomon as well (9 separate verses). Job makes mention of the motherly aspects of women’s breasts. No sexual connotation at all. Song of Solomon is a different story.
In the context of Song of Solomon, the subject is the desire the couple has for each other. In chapters 1-7 the mention of breasts is one of admiration. That is the man is admiring his future bride’s breasts and commenting on them. In short, he is saying his bride has a nice pair. 8:1 mentions the motherly aspects of women’s breasts again much like Job. In Chapter 8 verses 8 and 10 the woman in the story mentions her own breasts as a symbol of her virtue — she has kept her virginity to her wedding night referring to her breast as acting like towers. In this case they are symbolic of her virtue but it is not mentioned how that is so other than to say she was not a women who just put out for anyone. Probably no one has touched them. Seen them? Well it does not say.
What can be said at this point when dealing with the subject of the Bible and women’s breasts:
1. When women’s breasts are mentioned, the most common reference is to nursing or the motherly aspect of the breasts or women. It is about nurturing.
2. In Song of Solomon we have an unmarried couple and the man makes continued reference to how much he admires — not only his future wife’s body but her breasts in particular. Wonder how he knew what all this looked like in a middle eastern culture? So is admiration a sin? Not with these verses — they got into the Bible and no sin is mentioned.
3. In all cases, it is never stated that a woman showing her breasts is sinful or shameful. If anything the virtues of women’s breasts are set forward and they are not presented in a negative light.
Next: Job and Isaiah Naked.
I support top-free equality, not because I particularly want to see more women’s breasts, but because seeing more women’s breasts, unfettered by bras and other clothing, is going to help de-sexualize them. There is a certain mystique about breasts, which gets removed when a person sees them for what they are. Of the hundred of pairs of breasts that I have seen as a nudist, very, very few are as “pretty” bare as they are supported and shaped. Bras support and shape sagging breasts, which most women’s do as they get older, and tops cover up things like mastectomy scars, which I have seen plenty of also. I have known a couple of women who didn’t have much more than I do, but, as far as i know, one of them nursed all eleven of her children. She went from a sub-A cup when she wasn’t nursing to a solid B cup when she was.
I also support top-freedom because I want nursing mothers to be able to nurse their babies whenever and wherever they need to do so, if they feel that the environment is safe and appropriate, and that includes in church. Why has our society condemned nursing mothers to having to hide out while they feed their baby?
BTW, I am sure that the groom in SOS had plenty of opportunities to see his bride’s breasts, because they weren’t breast-obsessed like we are today.
God bless!
Steve
I think more likely is men of power had the right to inspect the goods so to speak before marriage. It also was less likely that people were freaked out about a woman showing her breasts as nursing was the only real way to feed a baby.
Ran into this in particular when I was on a missions trip. The women did not wear bras and the also had a habit of just nursing whenever and wherever and they certainly didn’t cover up. It is our culture really that has the sicker view about women’s breasts if you ask me.
Blessings and Cheers!!!
Very good.Thank you.
Very Welcome and Thank you.
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Also (and I could be wrong so don’t hold it against me) the breasts like towers verse could be saying no one has gotten past them. Or if it is saying no one has touched them it could just be speaking to cultural ideals of modesty at the time. It could also just be saying she was fully through puberty and still she hasn’t had sex with anyone. I don’t want to sound like a pervert but it would be nice if breasts weren’t sinful to see or touch before marriage lol. They have basically the same biological makeup as a man’s chest except they’re more fatty.