Today’s post was inspired by a group of Questions from a Facebook friend and former coworker. He wrote me the following:
As a preacher and pastor Ed Raby, I’m curious as to how you would describe the political structure of our future home: Heaven? Here on earth we argue the tenants of socialism, communism, capitalism, dictators, regimes, kings, emperors, presidents, etc,,,, Could we argue the God’s plan for us in Heaven is actually of a ‘socialist’ nature? Once we’ve earned our reward and enter into the kingdom, at that point are we not all going to be considered equal in God’s eyes? Of course in this life here on earth it cannot work, but in Heaven where anything is possible through God, is that what we can come to expect? Your theological point of view?
Thoughtful questions and deep ones. I am going to save the first one for last but take the rest in order:
Here on earth we argue the tenants of socialism, communism, capitalism, dictators, regimes, kings, emperors, presidents, etc,,,, Could we argue the God’s plan for us in Heaven is actually of a ‘socialist’ nature?
I don’t think so. Socialism basically looks at the value of human beings and boils it down to economics and productivity. The Bible boils down a person’s value to the fact that we are already equal in God’s eyes because we are all created in his image. Socialism in heaven would be silly. All of us will have access to the same resources which have no limits. Each person’s productivity then becomes simply a matter of desire. Eternal life also means certain needs are no longer present which socialism attempts (and really fails) to address. God does not look at us and assess our value based on our economics so socialism with its attempt to equalize economics is really not necessary in the New Heavens and New Earth. Eternal life and the fact raw materials are unlimited makes most of our current economic systems obsolete.
Once we’ve earned our reward and enter into the kingdom, at that point are we not all going to be considered equal in God’s eyes?
Truth be told this is already the case even before entering heaven? God’s shows no partiality so everyone is judged and weighed by what we do with the gift of freewill we are given in relationship to his commands. He also extends grace to all who will receive it, so theologically speaking we are all viewed equal by God now. The problem is being viewed that way by other people and viewing other people equally. In heaven, with the normal earthly status symbols being obsolete, this will be much easier. This is another reason socialism fails here and in heaven because some are not viewed as human – namely the rich are nothing more than pockets to steal from. Socialism has to demonize and dehumanize prosperous people through envy, jealousy and greed in order to justify theft from them through government taxation. God does not need people’s resources as he can always create more so this does not really work and in a sense he is the richest person in the system.
Once we’ve earned our reward and enter into the kingdom, at that point are we not all going to be considered equal in God’s eyes?
I don’t think it will work in heaven either. No one will be limited by insufficient resources in heaven and that is the crux of most earthly economic systems. Socialism is bad here on earth and so it will be even worse in heaven because it would be totally unnecessary and just be repressive. It also proceeds from a false premise of economic value for human beings. In heaven people are only limited by their finite nature, not their economics.
Your theological point of view?
I have studied the Bible for a long time but I discover new things every day and make new connections every day, so this is not going to be a definitive answer. The one thing I can say is that right out of the gate is God expected Adam and Eve to be both personally and morally responsible for their actions. He was not holding their hand every step of the way as they worked the earth and developed the garden of Eden. He expects people to take responsibility for what he has given them here on earth – they were to be good stewards over what God had given them . Government should reflect then a system that allows people to be free to do this and protects them and their rights to do this. This of course leads to the first question:
I’m curious as to how you would describe the political structure of our future home: Heaven?
As I look through the Bible I can only see two periods where God seemed genuinely pleased with how his people governed themselves in relationship to Him and so these might serve as a basis for how heaven is governed. The Garden of Eden before the Fall and the time of the Judges. I pick these two because these are the only times when things are a genuine theocracy – that is rule directly by God himself. God’s kingdom however is very different from most earthly kingdom in that in both cases, God seems quite unconcerned about the details of how people do things. In fact he seems to have a very large loathing to intervening in the affairs of his people and does so very rarely. God visits Adam and Eve but does not give them too many direct commands. They are left pretty much to do as they please provided they don’t disobey those commands and God only truly gets involved with Adam and Eve’s affairs when they do indeed disobey.
The period of the Judges is much the same. Some might argue with me that this is bad time for God’s people but that is because all the stories in Judges are at times when the people were disobedient. I say they miss the other side where the people were obedient and thus both at peace and prosperous which are long periods in the Book of Judges. It should also be noted that when they try to leave the time of the Judges by ‘having a king like other nations” both God and Samuel the prophet object. God himself goes so far to say that this is a rejection of Him being king. God thus equates the time of the Judges was Him being directly king over his people. When they obeyed him they were blessed, when they disobeyed Him then things went to crap. He however never forces this choice one way or the other. The time of the judges is described as a time where “everyone one did what was right in his own eyes” but this is not a statement of morality but a statement of political arrangement. It is as statement ultimately of how free people were to act without a human king under God’s direct rule. For full details of my thoughts on this you can read this post.
Christ’s kingdom is very similar. No one is forced to follow Jesus. In fact Jesus boldly states that if you follow him the truth will set you free and whoever the Son sets free is free indeed. So in a sense Jesus sets conditions for those to follow him and be part of God’s kingdom but whether a person is subject to that kingdom is their choice. There are obvious consequences for not accepting Jesus as Lord and there are obvious benefits to accepting Him as Lord. The issue though is the Jesus does not want coerced followers.
All this leads me to believe that the structure of the government of heaven might go something like this. God will be King of the New Heavens and New Earth where we will live. He is a true benevolent king so he understands that we will never grow as individuals or as a race with out the maximum amount of freedom and liberty possible so we can grow and develop. Thus, God will rule as he always has, which is to say he will set up the main rules but leave much to us to both govern ourselves and that might include some of us being rulers or judges but under God’s law. The main difference is that resources for us to use for that development will be unlimited and we can always go to God and ask for his advice. He may not give it though as he may know that in discovering these answers for ourselves we will grow as people and a human race. I see ultimately a benevolent dictatorship that grants the subjects a great deal of freedom to govern themselves in the context of God as ultimate authority. God only intervening as king when it is truly and absolutely necessary.
Hopefully this answers the questions. I also submit that like everyone else, I am looking through a glass darkly and can’t see all the details. Those will have to wait. I may do a follow up on this to address some of my still lingering questions.
Blessings and Cheers!!!